rcarmo 19 hours ago | next |

I have one of those (and a few other RK3588 boards): https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2024/06/16/1800

It’s pretty good for industrial applications, even if it gets a tad warm. I’m now running Proxmox ARM on it (with QEMU and ZFS support, but only one SSD) on it after I had an SSD failure on my CM3588 NAS. Setup was pretty trivial, and my notes apply to anything you can drop Debian Bookworm on: https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2024/11/09/1940

kumiokun 2 days ago | prev | next |

Author here! Currently taking requests for follow-ups you'd like to see for this budding blog where we will stand up cloud together. (Including you Intel N-series diehards, if you flame hard enough I might write something for you too ;) Seriously though I think both platforms have their use-cases. Here we get more cores per buck and less power per node)

phoronixrly 2 days ago | root | parent |

Kudos for being the author of one of the very few homelab-related posts on HN that does not boil down to just a poor use of a raspberry pi.

I would like to see projects with more, and specifically more diverse and open-source friendly SoCs, based on Allwinner for lower cost stuff (Olimex-produced SBCs), Mediatek for higher price/performance (banana pi, and especially for the WiFi chipsets, it's about time we stopped with the closed Broadcom stuff)

nubinetwork 2 days ago | prev | next |

The kernel/dtb support was what held me back from buying a Turing Pi 2, I'm still debating on buying something ampere based instead... the rk3588 has been out for ages, I don't see what the holdup is getting it mainlined.

pl4nty a day ago | root | parent | next |

mainline LTS is good enough to boot and perform well, but it's still missing media and NPU features. as someone who briefly worked on mainlining, I feel the biggest problem is Turing's deceptive marketing - rk3588 and SBCs in general just aren't powerful enough for popular inference workloads like LLMs, let alone training. and ARM (rather than x86) is still very limiting for self-hosting apps

jauntywundrkind a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

There's been solid progress.

But Rockchip is no longer selling to SBC folk & no longer participating at all in mainlining.

Theres almost no one left to buy chips from, basically. Hope everyone's happy using rpi forever, cause that's where 2025 has left us. :/

MediaTek has some Genio chips they're starting to make available but explorer boards are quite expensive. These new Cix people have an incredible looking 8x A720, which Radxa is using on an upcoming Orion O6 board. But man it is just so sad to see company after company after company collapse & disappear from making chips usable by SBC.

https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/12/21/rockchip-rk3588-main...

Fnoord a day ago | root | parent | prev |

When you start wanting decent RAM, SBC end up being expensive.

Kontron (Fujitsu) have some very low-power, efficient motherboard, the Kontron K3843-B. Also, Odroid-H4+ deliver a good bang for the buck. Excellent devices for low-power NAS / server. But a different form-factor than SBC.

buckle8017 a day ago | root | parent | prev |

rockchip doesn't really care about mainline support

nyanmisaka a day ago | root | parent | prev |

Is this really so?

[Update: I’ve asked Collabora how RK3588 software development was funded. Their answer:

But to answer your question, Collabora had initially started the work on RK3588 as a strategic research and development (R&D) investment. When we looked at the SOC landscape at the time, we felt that SOC offered great potential. Since then Collabora has developed a solid relationship with the RockChip Open Source team, and others there. They have been very supportive and responsive. And they continue to do so on the RK3588 as well as everything else we are collaborating on with them. Collabora’s strategic R&D investment has been paying off since we have several OEM customers that have hired our services to further enable their RK3588 products, in all sorts of industries and product form factors.

]

https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/12/21/rockchip-rk3588-main...

sixdonuts 2 days ago | prev | next |

Good stuff - thanks for sharing. IaC and containers are great but having the ability to run multiple VMs and create snapshots prior to performing upgrades or security patches is still very helpful from an operational perspective.

Havoc 2 days ago | prev | next |

Had similar stability issues on a related board - orange pi 5 plus. Specifically wouldn’t reliably come back up on soft reboot

Also there is apparently an arm port of proximity but haven’t tried it

kumiokun 2 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

So far have not seen stability issues on the mentioned 6.12 current-rockckip-rk3588 kernel but time will tell!

Havoc 2 days ago | root | parent |

Hmm. Will give that a go in next install.

Other issue I hit was ssh dropping out (but other ports staying online). Think that may be a software bug though

simpleTaffy 2 days ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Is proximity another Virtualization tool? A quick search didn't come up with anything, that's why I'm asking.

tekchip 2 days ago | root | parent | next |

I assume that's an autocorrect for Proxmox. There is/was a Proxmox porting attempt out there.

I use Orange Pi 5 Plus in my home lab and I've found their builds of Debian are rock solid though a bit sus hosted in a Gdrive and pulling updates from Huawei repos instead of official. They do tend to be one or two kernel versions ahead of Armbian so it's unclear if the added stability is due to kernel version or some other patches and secret sauce. It has been quite some time since I've tried it. Ops 6.12 is well newer than the 6.7 or 8 last time I attempted Proxmox.

I've also found a lot of instability in what SSD you choose. Things are real bad on Samsung but after some research the Lexar nm790 is especially low power and this seems to have resolved my instabilities. There seems to be some kind of power handling issues on the oPi 5 Plus.

TacticalCoder a day ago | root | parent | prev |

> Had similar stability issues on a related board

No ECC for an hypervisor running VMs is scary too.

Although ZFS is still useful even without ECC.

Thev00d00 2 days ago | prev | next |

Or buy a RPI where you get software that actually works and is supported.

ducktective 2 days ago | root | parent | next |

On software side, RPi (or intel N100 for that matter) is the winner but take a look at RK3588 datasheet [1] and tell me of an Arm or x86 SBC that tops what it offers. It even comes with a NPU lol

[1]: https://www.rock-chips.com/uploads/pdf/2022.8.26/192/RK3588%...

frankharv a day ago | root | parent | prev |

You really think RockPi5 is an SBC on par with Advantech and Aaeon?

As a Rock3A owner I can say no. It may look like a real SBC but it is not.

nyanmisaka a day ago | root | parent |

The rk3566 used in Rock3A is a poor 4-core Cortex-A55 chip, it can't even beat the RPi 4. But when it comes to the 4xA76 + 4xA55 in the rk3588/Rock5, they can't be compared, not to mention the 8k60 video codec and NPU support in the 3588.

15155 14 hours ago | root | parent |

The RK3566 is a $6 SOC, the RK3568 is $9 - there are a million use cases for these where RPis are just too expensive.

tekchip a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Software support being hand hold-y is nice and all but entirely pointless if the hardware isn't performant enough to run the workloads you want/need.

nonrandomstring 2 days ago | prev |

Good work. Probably still a bit precarious for me to try at the moment but the idea of low power SBCs with virt capabilities is intriguing as I like to run very thin VMs to encapsulate a single small application.